http://www.hotcopper.com.au/post_single.asp?fid=1&tid=609418&msgid=3218086
http://www.hotcopper.com.au/post_single.asp?fid=1&tid=612013&msgid=3201201 (this echoing rupert's thoughts that they gave permit away too cheaply). In fact, this post is in the thread that you are referring to (http://www.hotcopper.com.au/post_threadview.asp?fid=1&tid=612013#2546246)