I have never called Roger Ver a scammer. I call Craig Wright a scammer (Not sure if I've done this on HC yet). Roger Ver could be a scammer, or he could believe what he is saying, and be extremely corrupted by his own bias. I'd prefer you to actually debate me on my own points I have previously raised on HC, rather than you finding a bunch of strawman media whenever I rebut your own posts. I find much of the media you post on HC to be of much lower intellectual quality than my own arguments, and so am unable to speak on their stead.