Thanks Rhodes, I think you have summarised it well, its just a tool to establish a window in time when caution is warranted and we are certainly are approaching interesting times. Yes have seen the Gann model and yes very similar. George Lindsay also another with similar outcome to Gann. There are also a couple more I have seen but how many do you need ?. I may have approached it in a long round about way but happy to have done the work myself to understand it at the nuts and bolts level. The shorter term cycle stuff I am doing to my knowledge is unique. But there are many other methods that exist to achieve the same outcome. Fib, and Elliott are Powerful tools nice to see posters like orwell on HC who have the skills to deduce the correct outcome.