I don't think we are at TD, ann. will come out when we are, i.e it is not all over yet, not by a long shot. err for those that are looking at the lifeboat from the good ship TNPO at 2c, (I think I could just squeeze into it) they say you step up not down into a liferaft, stay on board as long as you can, it maximises the chance of rescue. TD here we come.