Silly silly boy, your reading things into verses which are CLEARLY not there.
Your set seeds, just like the ones Eve received, are doing the interpretations for you.
“But as it is, you are seeking to kill Me, a man who has told you the truth, which I heard from God;this Abraham did not do.
This message has ZERO to do with the matter of whether Abraham would or would not throw stones or threaten to kill Jesus back then.
Goodness me mate, open your eyes, ears and let the Bible, the One Spirit of truth do the talking.
John 8:37-40 - I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word (His God and Fathers) hath no place in you.
I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.
They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham. = (The works of the Almighty God and Fathers).
But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth (From God), which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.
Seen with my Father --> Greek word here means --> Usage: I see, look upon, experience, perceive, discern, beware.
(The overall meanings here, not to literally SEE, received via the One Spirit, The Holy).).
this did not Abraham. = Abraham did NOT abandon what he heard from God. This has zero reference to Abraham, did not threaten to throw stones at Jesus.
The context following via Jesus was, CLEARLY they were not of God but their father, the devil.
So thee clear fact of their misunderstanding of what Jesus was actually saying, them thinking Jesus was literally around before Abraham is of zero relevance, as it was not possible from them to see this truth, because of their father.
Jesus was before Abraham in no other context than the hidden mystery within God
Titus 1:2 - In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before time eternal;
Rev 13:8 - And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. (All in the mind and plans of God, inner creation, conception, another Greek meaning for foundation. This plan of eternal life, was to always be through, completed through, this future one yet to come into existence, Jesus).
The Bible evidence to support this;
Due 18:18 - I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
John 12:49 - For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
Luke 2:40 & 52 - And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him.
And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man.
Luke 4:18 - The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the Good News (Flesh) to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
John 3:34 - For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.
John 1:14 simply means, refers to this --> John 14:10 - Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me?the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, hedoeth the works.
Acts 2:22 - Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did through (for the sake of, because of, by reason of) him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
So the Almighty God and Father, The Word did NOT become flesh, He came in the Flesh, Temple = Jesus, fulfilling the prophesy, that when Jesus, the future one was to come, God Almighty would be with him also. Two totally separate identities and NOT three, an extra, the idol, god the holy spirit.
Due 18:18 = Zero hint whatsoever as with 2 Sam 7:12-14, of a pre-existing Jesus, OTHER than in the mind and plans of God, as IN the Hidden mystery of WHICH the past prophets etc were hanging out for, waiting for, walking in this hope, FUTURE hope, the Light to their feet and path Psa 119:105, the GLORY.
Jesus was led, taught, guided, raised for 20 plus years by His Almighty God and Father, THE WORD,.... Abraham had nothing of a sort, in this regards.
These words Jesus was given, The words of eternal life John 6:68, to finish the God and Fathers works, John 17:4, ARE Spirit John 6:63
So Jesus being given the Spirit without measure, also means, he was given The Word without measure as well.
Jesus and NOT Tonio, confirms in the following, EXACTLY what is meant by the words, "The Word";
Luke 8:12-13 - Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word --> (The Word of God) out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.
They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word--> (The Word of God) with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.
John 20:17 - I ascend to my Father and your Father and to my God and Your God.
John 4:24 - Spirit The God IS................And there is but ONE Spirit, therefore, for THIS reason, this Spirit here is none other than the Holy Spirit, the One Spirit of Truth.
Spirit the God is, and we cannot define this in the terms of "a" Spirit.
His word is Spirit and that is why we see the Spirit and Word of Him interchanged as in the following;
1 Peter 1:23 - Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
John 3:5 - Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Water = Is also the word of God --> John 4:14 - But whosoever drinketh of the water (The Word of God) that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water (The Word of God) that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.
John 12:49 - For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
So these words, Water, Spirit, The Word are unquestionably The Almighty God and Fathers and NOT Jesus's.
He was GIVEN these, topped up, complete at Baptism, received the Godhead, Almighty God and Father, without measure, Spirit/Word.
In the beginning was The Spirit/Word......................and God was The Spirit/Word.
Gen 1:1-3 - (Hebrew 1:1) Beginning created God Aleph Tav (WORD), heavens and earth.
And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit (Word) of God moved upon the face of the waters. (God IS Light 1 John 1:5)
And God (The Aleph Tav, The Word) said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Psa 33:6 - By the word of the LORD (Almighty God & Father) were the heavens made and all the hosts of them by the breath of his mouth --> Spirit.
Neh 9:6 - Thou, thou, LORD alone; thou hast made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host, the earth, and all things that are therein, the seas, and all that is therein, and thou preservest them all; and the host of heaven worshippeth thee.
Isa 45:12 - I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, evenmy hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded.
Matt 19:4 - And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
There it is Tonio, loud and clear in your face, ZERO "WE" did this or that from Jesus in creation.
Now seriously, do you think Jesus would fail the say the likes of, "We made them male and female"?????
To suggest so, is to not be of God, and simply condoning, being part of spreading lies.
So NO Tonio, it is you that not only denies the True Jesus, but the True Almighty God and Father and according to Jesus, life eternal hinges on this, John 17:3
