We may be intertwined somehow but it's not with them. I was at...

We may be intertwined somehow but it's not with them. I was at meeting and asked the question. From what I can also gather a lot of these companies like to think they are bigger than they make out. We are right in the game in my opinion. We are on good hands. The European company are moving fast and found us from the asx announcement we released about our first collaboration or so I believe. Which was very unusual or words to that affect. I'm going for beers now so I will make less sense soon