Speaking generally I have found it pretty useless phoning...

Speaking generally I have found it pretty useless phoning Management. These days you only get a rehash of what has been released to the ASX.

As an example I phoned CTO Management a number of times and just had confirmed to me what was in their quarterlies at the time - and we know what happened there.

So I'm not going to contact TRF Management. Everything released has been bullish about IFE and TRF.

Only the other day Ian Finch pointed out the disconnect between the IFE share price on listing, how $25 million has been since spent derisking the project, the native title and marketing agreement etc. and yet the lower share price today.