Christianphobia, page-73

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    ''You should know the Bible has mistranslation and false teachings of Christendom''

    I should know that because that is exactly what I have been arguing for years. Our disagreement comes in the form of details and principles related to the errors and contradictions that are a part of the bible regardless of questionable translation.


    ''You think you know everything ...huh ! Your knowledge of the word "hell" is quite lacking.''

    That is your claim, not mine.

    I make no claim of knowing everything, nor made any claims about the nature of hell. You just make up whatever suits your needs and say it without regard for truth.

    Honestly, it's like dealing with a child. I don't intend that as an insult, just an observation of how you deal with debate opponents.

    I make no claims of my own, just point to what we can see and read in the bible.

    The errors and contradictions do not support the claim that the bible is a divinely inspired set of books.

    And the issue of eternal punishment, as stated in English, being a temporary punishment because the Greek word "aionion" means 'epoch' does not work for the reason I mentioned earlier: that this also means no eternal life and the whole of Christian teaching becomes incoherent and meaningless.

    From a Christian Perspective;

    The following set of scriptures divulge the nature of eternal damnation.

    1. Matt. 18:8, "And if your hand or your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; it is better for you to enter life crippled or lame, than having two hands or two feet, to be cast into the eternal (aionion) fire.
    2. Matt. 25:41, "Then He will also say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal (aionion) fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels;"
    3. Matt. 25:46, "And these will go away into eternal (aionion) punishment, but the righteous into eternal (aionion) life."
    4. Mark 3:29, "but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal (aionion) sin."
    5. Mark 10:30, "but that he shall receive a hundred times as much now in the present age, houses and brothers and sisters and mothers and children and farms, along with persecutions; and in the age to come, eternal (aionion) life.
    6. Luke 18:30, "who shall not receive many times as much at this time and in the age to come, eternal (aionion) life."
    7. 2 Thess. 1:9, "And these will pay the penalty of eternal (aionion) destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,"
    8. Jude 7, "Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example, in undergoing the punishment of eternal (aionion) fire."
    It should be quite obvious that there is an eternal punishment and that universalism is nothing more than a hopeful wish. The Universalists are not justified in picking and choosing the meaning of a word based upon their interpretations of "aion" that suits them and depending on which verse is used.


    https://carm.org/look-word-aionion
    Last edited by DBT9: 27/03/19
 
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