That's true but the whole focus of this debate is around the...

That's true but the whole focus of this debate is around the sulphide production only. It looks like the oxide production may possibly off-set the shortfall so overall there may not be a corporate shortfall. Execs can also delay these announcements in this type of situation saying ramp-up is only just starting and it's too early to tell.......remember it was quite late last year when they reduced guidance, in an operation this big it's quite easy to find a "problem" that has just arisen.