No doubt this is a punt, you realise this is a spec forum?
I am assume you are referencing me in the rest of your post...
Happy for you to point out at any stage where I have said VEC is 'investment grade'?
Also I am what most would term on here a negative poster on VEC for a number of reasons which I have discussed with others in detail (management, issues to mates and finance) and not once have I had a go at non-holders posting until you came along with your 'research'... if you took you 30 mins to search that up must still be on dial up.
If you like do you want me to pop over to AVZ where I dont currently hold and post my '30 secs' of research on why AVZ is bad? Would that make you feel better about me spreading myself around?