TELSTRA GROUP LIMITED (ASX:TLS) - Ann: Update - Dividend/Distribution - TLS, 37845858, page-112 - HotCopper | ASX Share Prices, Stock Market & Share Trading Forum

Originally posted by cameronb: ↑

I'm not sure if you're baiting me or you are just...

"If you save $1000 AFTER TAX and spend that money on SHARES (ie; part ownership of the company) the SHARES have PAID THE TAX, the original money to purchase the economic interest in the company did not come from nowhere and it most certainly did not come untaxed!"

"The shares have paid the tax"? This is simply rubbish

"TLS pay tax on my behalf for the profit they make with MY equity in the business, if I was not working I too would be entitled to this credit for PAYED TAX."

TLS do not pay tax on your behalf, they pax tax on the profit they make. It makes no difference weather you as the owner are a billionaire or penniless the tax paid by TLS is the same. It is not paid on your behalf it is payed by the company to the government because they made a profit. It is a liability of the company weather its publicly listed , family owned, or owned by a sole person. The tax is paid on behalf of the company not the companies owner.

The Franking Credit is not a cash payment to the company owners it is a credit against any personal tax that they otherwise may pay. If they don't pay any personal tax they cannot cash in the credit

How about this scenario

Mr. Jones wholly owns a mining services company
He has built this company up with money on which he has paid tax (after tax), just as the shareholder has purchased their portion of the Publicly Listed Company
Mr. Jones's Company turns over $15 million of which $1.5 million is Profit
Mr Jones wife is a wage earner, a very successful Barrister. She earns $250,000pa (taxable)
Mr Jones and his wife live substantially off Ms Jones income
As such he only draws a token $15,000 from his mining services company

Mr Jones is below the tax free threshold, as is the non tax paying part owner of the Publicly Listed Company

If the part owner of the Publicly listed company, who pays no tax as they're below the tax free threshold, is entitled to a refund of their share the tax paid by their company. Should not Mr Jones, who is also below the tax free threshold, be entitled to a refund of his share (100%) of the tax paid by his company ($450,000) ?

Of course not and neither should the non tax paying owner of the listed company be entitled to a refund of their share of their company's tax liability

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LOL absolutely LAUGHABLE!
Surely you are not being serious?
Mr Jones would absolutely pay tax on his dividends as they would go over his TAX FREE THRESHOLD, ie; his PERSONAL tax rate. (unless of course these dividends went straight to another entity, ie; not personal)

Again let me be even simpler, here we go, please follow along:
- I buy $1000 share in company
- it pays $100 fully franked dividend to myself
- I have $130 added to my Personal Income but have only been paid $100 of that due to the fact TAX HAS BEEN PAID!
- tax office says "oh we actually should give you this tax you ALREADY PAID back as you are under what you are allowed to make TAX FREE"

Please tell me you get that part now?

No tricks, no swindling, no-one ripping anyone off, just getting tax returned, just the name of this should give it away "tax return", not "bonus income" or "proceeds of crime".

Ps: I've actually been pleasantly surprised by the reaction of most on these boards about this issue, most people seem to understand it for what it is, I wont make it political but as many have discussed this issue is incredibly relevant to TLS and most certainly affects many of it's shareholders, ie; US

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Last $3.92		Change -0.030(0.76%)		Mkt cap ! $46.33B

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LOL absolutely LAUGHABLE!Surely you are not being serious?Mr...

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