jefferies yes - oblique and deliberately obtuse .
There seem to be holders who have done no research whilst I did most of mine after I quit Empire - what a conundrum hey
Anyway I have shared my links and thoughts because I didn’t want to waste the work and because even those genuinely trying to do their own investigations seem to get foiled and fooled with this company.
While the framing may be biased and is only the merest portion of background at least now, in relation to some aspects of Penny’s Find, there are clear links in the public domain, a company timeline with dates, and other information that may help others (Speaking of which thanks Jacko -glad to oblige although I doubt the power of HC posts)
...anyway I am not sure I understand your query . Is it another red herring?
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