thanks mate, much appreciated. Im starting to see why this stock...

thanks mate, much appreciated. Im starting to see why this stock may be worth while holding. Even if its doing poorly now, the pulp and energy issues should subside over time and if they flog off a couple of units to drop the debt then this will be a pretty good place to be. 

What interests me is the longer term thinking of where demographics go, this companies products are unavoidable but can it survive its current debt till that happens is the question.