Yes but I guess these things are commercially sensitive or in...

Yes but I guess these things are commercially sensitive or in respect to cases, in confidential, I guess its bad that Shine has to report to the market twice yearly and disclose to its competitors its performance and I am not surprised that it doesn't do more. Their competitors apart from SGH never disclose. It is annoying and worrying for shareholders but at least they get plenty of media publicity and put their name in front of the public. I do share your frustration and there are only two days of the year that we get any clarity of where we are and where we are going.