Off-topic chat, page-36

Hi nashezz,

As an engineer, you will be very familiar with doing your own research.  Being a bit lazy, I just googled "failed climate predictions" - here are the last two of a list of 17 that I found on Anthony Watts site  (I don't know whether citing a URL transgresses the cross-promoting terms and conditions of HC, but you can find the site readily).  The persons making these 17 predictions have significant status in the "climate community", and their statements are always taken very seriously and quoted readily by the media.  I'm sure you will find other such predictions.  The most obvious public failures are the climate models themselves.

Do some searching, and some reading, I suggest.  Appealing to authority is insufficient.  Citing a scary movie (be it on Netflix or an Al Gore special - you know, the one in which the British Government found nine inconvenient errors of fact, so it was withdrawn from screening in their government schools), cuts no ice with hard observations.  Point out to me where I am wrong.  Let's discuss the evidence, its sources, its validity, the uncertainties, and the conclusions we may rightfully draw.  That's how you practice engineering, isn't it?  And that's how we need to discuss the climate.

So here are the two predictions as excerpts from the above:

Famine-induced deaths

1987 Dr. John Holdren, director ofthe Office of Science and Technology Policy for the Obama administration then aprofessor at U.C. Berkeley was cited by Paul Ehrlich: “As University ofCalifornia physicist John Holdren has said, it is possible that carbon dioxideclimate-induced famines could kill as many as a billion people before the year2020.”

2009 Dr. John Holdren, director ofthe Office of Science and Technology Policy for the Obama administration, whenquestioned by Sen. David Vitter admitted that 1 billion people lost by 2020 wasstill a possibility.

Reality check: There was a 42%reduction in the number of hungry and undernourished people from 1990-1992 to2012-2014. Currently, the world produces enough food to feed everyone. Percapita food availability for the whole world has increased from 2,220kcal/person/day in the early 1960’s to 2,790 kcal/person/day in 2006-2008

Environmental refugees

2005 Janos Bogardi, director ofthe Institute for Environment and Human Security at the United NationsUniversity in Bonn and the United Nations Environment Program (UNEP) warnedthat there could be up to 50 million environmental refugees by the end of thedecade.

2008 UN Deputy secretary-generalSrgjan Kerim, tells the UN General Assembly, that it had been estimated that therewould be between 50 million and 200 million environmental migrants by 2010.

2011 Cristina Tirado, from theInstitute of the Environment and Sustainability at UCLA, says 50 million“environmental refugees” will flood into the global north by 2020, fleeing foodshortages sparked by climate change.

Reality check: As of 2017 only oneperson has claimed climate change refugee status: The world “first climatechange refugee” Ioane Teitiota from Kiribati. His claim was dismissed by acourt in New Zealand in 2014.