this whole holder no holder idea is a farce. Anyone who looks at information in a post and references it to a supposed position is a fool. Look at the information and make your own mind up an don't try to imagine it's intent. Holders and non holders get it wrong and right for all different reasons but to in any way blinker the information anyone provides on the basis of holding etc is just dumb.
Posters who don't independently read widely looking for reasoning and different views and follow the mantra of holders vs non holders attacking non holders and clubs of true believers are just outright dangerous and create a information feel good mono culture vacume. Part of a problem with most forums along with all the vested interests trying to sway opinion.
The aggression shown to why staff left another company? Everyone should want to know both sides to that one as if nothing else it shows and leads to possible insight into culture and ethics etc so should be explored sensibly not shut down for fear of something coming to light.
Any wonder many read but won't participate in forums