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    Even the resurrections carried out by Baha'u'llah, although no explanations exist, I still don't view them as supernatural. If it is happening in the natural world, then the phenomenon is natural.

    Exactly my point, if it’s natural and happens all the time then there is nothing special about what Baha’u’lla did, he’s just ordinary like anyone else, and no need for the Baha’i faith.

    If it is happening in the natural world, then the phenomenon is natural

    If this is so then wars, different religions, bigotry, hate, hurt feelings, love hate passion, etc etc, are also natural so why do we need the Baha’i to change it, that’s going against the natural world isn't it.

    My view is different, God being the creator of everything all is natural to him. Time and what happens on this side of the natural world is all natural to us. Anything that happens in this natural side with a helping hand of God that is supernatural.

    I think you better understand exactly what Benedict was talking about with the symbols of Jesus Ascending to heaven, going up into the clouds, where natural meets the supernatural so to speak.

    From the Catechism of the Catholic Church which he wrote and what the church teaches, the Supernatural and natural do happen in this side of the natural world

    645 By means of touch and the sharing of a meal, the risen Jesus
    establishes direct contact with his disciples. He invites them in this way
    to recognize that he is not a ghost and above all to verify that the risen
    body in which he appears to them is the same body that had been
    tortured and crucified, for it still bears the traces of his Passion
    .508 Yet
    at the same time this authentic, real body possesses the new properties
    of a glorious body: not limited by space and time but able to be present
    how and when he wills
    ; for Christ's humanity can no longer be
    confined to earth, and belongs henceforth only to the Father's divine
    realm.
    509 For this reason too the risen Jesus enjoys the sovereign
    freedom of appearing as he wishes:
    in the guise of a gardener or in
    other forms familiar to his disciples,
    precisely to awaken their faith

    659 Christ's body was glorified at the moment of his Resurrection, as proved by the new and supernatural properties it subsequently and permanently enjoys
    .532 But during the forty days when he eats and drinks
    familiarly with his disciples and teaches them about the kingdom, his
    glory remains veiled under the appearance of ordinary humanity.533

    Jesus' final apparition ends with the irreversible entry of his humanity
    into divine glory
    , symbolized by the cloud and by heaven
    , where he is
    seated from that time forward at God's right hand.
 
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